Apology of Yuttadhammes

I am not staying at a Wat Thai this rains retreat. ANY Wat Thai. And I’m not going to apologize for that. I’d like to take a little time to explain why I’ve come to this decision, as most people are unable to understand why I would come to such a strange decision. Strange to them, of course, for it seems perfectly reasonable to me, having been ordained as a Thai monk and lived with Thai monks for the past 7 years.

First, the misunderstanding stems mainly from a misunderstanding of what a monk should be. I admit, I am not a perfect model of what a monk should be, but I think I keep at least a modest level of monastic discipline, including a healthy respect and adherence to the rules of the monastic life and a healthy distancing of oneself from societies of all sorts.

Secondly, I think we generally don’t take enough time to appreciate what is meant by “Wat Thai” or “Wat Khmer” or “Wat Laos”, etc. I think if we did, we would realize it is really a funny thing, considering the Buddha was of Nepalese decent. No, what these places really are is a place for displaced immigrants to return, even briefly, to the society from which they were displaced.

This is where I come in; a naive kid, looking for some genuine practice and discipline according to our beloved teacher. What do I get? My monastic rules forbid me to go into details but I think it is clear that any monastery intent on catering to the whims of a particular society is not really a monastery at all (the word coming from monos = solitary). It makes me ask the question, “why WOULD I want to stay at a Thai monastery at all?” or an American monastery, for that matter. Admittedly, it is all the worse when the society for which the monastery is designed is not my own, but the point is a Buddhist monastery should be a place to leave behind silly cultural and racial idiosyncrasies and get down to what is most important, the training of body, speech and mind.

The result of my love/hate relationship with Thai Buddhism (love the Buddhism…) has been a feeling of intense and prolonged weight on my heart. I am not free in Thai society to follow the Buddha’s teaching, because it takes a subservient role to what Thai people think is the correct winnowing down of the Buddha’s teaching for modern Thai society. As I am not Thai, this makes little sense to me. That I am subject to the same racial inequality as the Thai and other Asian people suffer in America, simply because I am a “Phra Farang”, should almost go without saying but, that aside, the casual way in which these people throw away the Buddha’s teaching in favour of what is most convenient, pleasing to the senses, and pleasing one’s Thai sensibility, is chilling. And this is what I have to put up with daily. It finally dawned on me tonight that we do chanting here in translation. Not English translation, but Thai translation. This never seemed odd to me before I thought to write this blog post. But it is incredibly odd. Here these monks have trained for years and worked hard to get the opportunity to fly across the ocean to bring Buddhism not to Western people, but to Thai people.

The sign in front of Wat Thai of Minnesota says “Welcome To Our Temple / Everyone Welcome”. Or at least it would have if it had been written in English. Yes, “Everyone Welcome” apparently means “EveryThaiOne Welcome”.

To be fair, the people here are wonderful. Kind, gentle, caring and considerate. Too considerate, I might protest. The monks are considerate of the lay people. The lay people are considerate of the monks. But I think I am not overreacting by saying that there is very little consideration on either side for the Buddha. This shows up in the ubiquitous “offering” of food. As a short background, Buddhist monks have to give up everything. They can’t even eat unless someone gives them food, willingly. The Buddha made a rule about it. No giving, no eating. I am often presented with the no eating side of it, because in virtually every monastery I visit, the monks, out of consideration to the lay people, tell them just to touch the table and poof, somehow the food on the table is given. The lay people, out of consideration for the monks, like this proposition, as it means you just have to lay out a smörgåsbord of food and then invite the monks to touch the table with you. Poof, instant merit.

I’m probably going to be accused of nitpicking, pedantry, etc. But if I am, it will be by those who have never put food in a monk’s bowl. Anyone, myself included, who has ever given alms, can tell you that it is a very sacred and important part of one’s spiritual life. Not something to be glossed over with a “everybody touch the table, 1-2-3, poof!”

It is because of these sorts of things that I generally get by in Thai monasteries only by not leaving my room that often. When I do, it is usually to make long sojourns on alms, usually alone, because I cannot eat lunch with my fellow monastics. And I imagine if this were the only fault I could find in Thai monastic life, I could bear with it, and indeed I have for many years.

But the problems are quite intricate and, in my burnt out state these days (teaching intensive meditation courses 24/7 for the past three months) I feel ill-equipped to relate the full extent of my conundrum. Here, then, in brief, I’ll attempt to summarize some of the other main points in my defense against staying at a Wat InsertFavouriteEthnicityHere.

Next on the list is the feeling of being much akin to a tropical bird in a gilded cage; all for show, living a life of interminable slavery to a group of well-meaning admirers. The abbot of Wat Thai summed this one up on the last day of the grueling three-month meditation course when, during the final ceremony and in front of a large crowd of people, he congratulated me by saying, “Phra Noah is a monk worthy of compliment. He is not even Thai, he is a foreign monk, and yet he was able to study and practice to the point that he can even speak Thai.” (Polly wanna rice cracker?) I have met nothing but resistance to any thought that I might ever be given a position of authority; the one time I was made head of a failing meditation center in Thailand, it almost cost me several bruises from a broomstick because, as was kindly pointed out to me, “this isn’t your home. Your father wasn’t born here. Why don’t you go back to your father’s home?” That piece of advice turned out to be terribly useful (the broomstick didn’t add much to his credibility, however), and that is what I came to seek out this time around in North America; a place where I can stand on my two feet and walk the Buddha’s path unhindered by monks who think “Thai way or the Highway.”

And this is the next complaint, for I am feeling in a mood to complain. And it’s my weblog, so I hope you’ll indulge me in doing so tonight. My next complaint is that I cannot bear any longer to have to bow down to authority simply because it is powerful. This is not the way of us Western folk. We don’t think it proper to follow anyone who’s on the wrong path, no matter how powerful. It is a very Thai thing, for those who are not aware, to do just that. If you know anything about Thai politics (I know very little beyond the basic moral and philosophical premise that has lead to almost 20 coup d’etat in the past 40 years), you know that virtue plays second fiddle to power. And this the way things go in Thai monasteries. Even the lay people have a share in the power game, and us Phra Farang are always at the bottom of the proverbial totem pole in this matter because, of course, we are not Thai.
Don’t get me wrong, I am not power-hungry, but I am not prepared to follow any longer after ways and practices counter to the Buddha’s teaching, ways I find ubiquitous in Buddhist monasteries across the board. You think I am overreacting? Do a quick search on Wat Thai of Los Angeles on Google. No, I’ll save you the time. Here are the top three results (after the official website):

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And this is place I’m supposed to leap at the opportunity to spend my rains residence? Oo, wait while I get my monk apron on. No, I am here and now refusing to be a peon in the war of who makes the best Pad Thai in America. The best joke of the year was when Wat Thai of Los Angeles decided to buy a piece of property for me and my group to build a meditation center. One acre, $750,000. I almost promised them I would settle down at Wat Thai if they came through with it. As far as I know they will. They’ve bought the property (it’s in ESCRO) and are already getting ready to… cut down the two ancient trees on the lot and pour asphalt to build a parking lot for the cars that come to the weekly food court at the monastery. Uh, what about the meditation center? Yes, well that’s what they’re going to use to disguise the parking lot…

The list goes on, the anecdotes are many. My final argument in favor of my case is the support with which my decision to leave Wat Thai has met from my loyal students and supporters. I hope you can sense the sardonic tone in my key presses, for the support has been dismal at best. No, I think I’m going to be going it alone, just me and my grasshopper (gopher is apparently offensive to some) assistant. If all goes well, we’ll be hitting the road this summer (in his car), to “find a place to call my own and try to fix up, start a brand new day”. Most of my students have done nothing but given me all the more reason to break with the whole Thai Buddhist scene, as they are mostly unable to separate culture and religion, and so their culture can be said to be a religion in itself. Their main argument is that monks have to stay in monasteries. I wonder if they ever considered why it is called a monastery if not simply because it is a residence for a monk? It is a laughable argument, one which Google has already demolished; they might better argue that great cooks like me had better stay in Thai restaurants like the great eatery on Coldwater Canyon Ave in North Hollywood. They, along with most others who would otherwise support me, are just waiting for me to fail, so I can be forced back into their golden cage and they can cling to me as they do to each other, and I shall be nothing greater than an instrument, a tool, a benefit to their society, their culture, their in group. No, I intend instead to follow the Buddha’s teaching, and be of benefit to myself first.

That’s my rant; sorry, it’s been a long day… several months long. Almost over. Just thought I’d get that one over with. I’ll be a single monk this rains or I’ll be a dead one :)

Don’t laugh yet…

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10 Responses to Apology of Yuttadhammes

  1. phalanyani says:

    Not understanding every word you wrote, I understand what you mean, sitting here in thailand and facing an invitation to Wat Ram Poeng for the rainy season made in a friendly but categoric imperative. Thinking of running deeper into the forest, to desrobe, to go home, do become a Bhikkhuni, to do something that allows to just walk the Buddhas way instead of living Thai tradition and playing the rule of a good Mae Chii, which I'm not and do not aim for being so.
    It is without you much more difficult for a mae chii farang to survive here and not to get sucked and absorbed of the thaiswamp, but living here alone with Lumpoh who is simple but goodhearted, trying not to be seen and heard of until visa expires allows to live quite authentic monkslike. (I do not offer again that i leave this place for you to stay here, you won't do it anyway but let me know if you change your mind).
    I'm happy that you have an assistent who stands and goes with you – and feel sorry that it is not me, as it seems we have the same direction to go.
    If you want to spent your rainyseason in Mallorca, there is room for you. :o )
    But I'm still not able to set up a center of my own there.
    May evey step you make be on the Buddhas path.
    Sincere
    phalanyani

  2. ducard says:

    Noah,
    You knew what you were getting into.
    Sounds like you are whining and thinking too much.
    Have you talked with your teacher,i.e.,original mentor?
    I have suggested staying with a retired doctor friend,
    who is divorced and a Sri Lanken Buddhist in a 6 bedroom
    home in the hills on a quiet cul de sac. The small Mon temple
    near Wat Thai,has room for you. You were offered to share a house with a Burmese monk who has been a monk for 30 years
    and moved there to get away from his temple to devote more time
    to his practice without much interuption.
    I don't think you know what
    you want and are confused and disillusioned.
    There are plenty of temples in the L.A. area,Mon,Burmese,
    Sri Lankan,Thai, that would welcome you. Or are you
    looking for a place to be alone?

    P.S. Be careful about your references to killing yourself.
    That could be an invitation to a psych 72 hour hold as
    a danger to yourself. Working in a hospital, don't make light
    of that. They don't and someone may alert the local hospital.

    with Metta,
    Scott

    • Avatar of Yuttadhammo Yuttadhammo says:

      Dear Scott,

      Thanks for writing. I never made any reference to killing myself… getting killed trying to find a place to stay, maybe, but I'm too concerned with mental purification to think about killing this body.

      I'm sure you are well-meaning, but your understanding of monasticism is quite different from mine… I suppose I could be seen as whining, but then you are not nearly the first to misunderstand my situation, so I look at it more as explaining.

      I know exactly what I "want", that's not the problem. Nor am I confused. Lost, maybe, but it's really not fair for you to criticize me as someone who has never ordained. I don't particularly want to be alone, just in a suitable environment to practice the Buddha's teaching. I've been to enough cultural monasteries of all traditions to know that they are not such places. Perhaps you are not aware that there are many streams of Buddhism, even in the Theravada, and most have ceased to keep proper monastic discipline.

      I remember you mentioning a doctor's house, I can't remember the details but I'm open to such suggestions, I don't remember refusing it; if I did it may have been because at the time I had a better solution.

      Anyway, thanks for your well wishes.

      Best wishes,

      Yuttadhammo

  3. ducard says:

    Dear Noah,
    I'm sorry if I came across as critical. I just want to help you and
    find a solution to your situation. The people at Wat Thai have the highest
    respect for you because you attempt to follow Buddhism more strictly
    than the other monks.
    As far as snuffing it, I read two passages by you that said " a dead
    monk", so again I was concerned. And your tone was one of
    desperation as I interpreted it.
    True I have never been a monk so I have not walked in your shoes,
    but I have known and talked with many monks for 20 years,many of whom
    have shared similar thoughts. I have known some who have
    followed Tibetan and Mahayana paths changing instead of Theravadin.

    Chok dee,
    Scott

  4. ducard says:

    Man up Noah
    The places you listed tend to be upscale.
    You are still young and have been ordained for only
    7 years.
    You are bright but you might need guidance from a monk with more experience.
    May I suggest calling my teacher Ut Thazana.
    Ordained in Burma for over 30 years.Can speak English.
    Lives in a house the Burmese community purchased for him in Norwalk,Ca.and he might help and offer to stay with him during the rainy season.Highly revered in the Burmese community. Tel 562-864-3660.
    with Metta,
    Scott

  5. Avatar of Yuttadhammo Yuttadhammo says:

    Dear Scott,

    As kind as you seem, I can't help but feel like you are somewhat biased in your comments. Of course, everyone wants everyone else to go stay with their teacher, this is not strange. Suffice to say, the fact that he is "revered in the Burmese community" is not a compliment in my books. And I have never entertained thoughts of suicide, unlike many other people I know.

    Really, your comment, "you knew what you were getting into" says it all. I understand that there are many Westerners out there who are more than happy to khao taeo in Thai society because, as you once said, they are treated like kings. Western monks, on the other hand, are treated like talking monkeys, often seen as a way to sadistically satisfy some people's sense of inferiority (which many Thai feel to Westerners), as they see us as students of THEIR religion, which of course it is not. So, no, I did not have a clue what I was getting into, and now I am trying my best to get out.

    Your criticism is welcome, if it is constructive. I don't get the comment of "upscale". Many of the places I've been considering are little more than garages or sheds, as the requirement for the rains is simply a roof and a door that can be shut.

    I would suggest you to try ordaining for seven years, then come back and tell me I need guidance. Otherwise, you seem to be in a poor situation to offer it.

    I hope I am not being offensive, and I wish you all the best. I just don't think you are able to put yourself in my shoes, as you don't have the experience it takes to do so, and your "20 years" of contact with monks has, of course, been with monks who fully accept a partial, cultural interpretation of the Buddha's teaching, something quite different to the Buddhism I practice.

    On a related note, a Western monk in Germany wrote to agree with me and support me in my separation from cultural Buddhism, and another Thai person wrote that Ajaan Geofrey (Thanissaro) says he was in the same position before he started Wat Metta. Do you think they need guidance from your teacher as well?

    May you be happy,

    Yuttadhammo

  6. dmclean635 says:

    Hello Bhante,

    You probably don't remember me, but I used to chat with you as "Gerald Ford" a while back. I even remember we discussed briefly receiving the precepts form you via Skype, but I did not follow through (I do have Skype now at last). Apologies for that by the way. :(

    Anyways, regarding this comment:

    as they are mostly unable to separate culture and religion, and so their culture can be said to be a religion in itself.

    I can say for sure that this is true anywhere and everywhere. I am much more familiar with Japanese Buddhism, but I can tell you it's effectively the same. I found an article a while back about a British woman who married a Jodo Shinshu Buddhist priest in Japan, and they had all sorts of grief from the local community. You can read it here:
    http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/fl20090221…

    The comment by a Japanese woman about bi-racial kids being deformed was too hilarious (my daughter is half-japanese and far from deformed :) ).

    I've always felt culture was a stronger force than religion, and much of what you write essentially proves my little theory. Fighting the tide of culture is quite difficult. Culture takes a good idea and mucks around with it until it's hard to recognize anymore. Look at the classic, philosophical Taoism and see what it is today (mostly alchemy and yogic ritual), or the Western religions which are just as kooky as ever.

    Still, the Western approach that likes to "cut away all the cultural baggage" seems to just be Western cultural-interference in disguise. At least that's how I feel on the subject. I'd say Western Buddhism is no better than Thai or Japanese Buddhism, just different shortcomings.

    Then again, there's no lasting satisfaction to be found in this world anyways. Oh well. :-/

    Anyways, take care of yourself, best of luck in your journeys and talk to you later!

    Not that you need advice (saw your subsequent post), but I hope you enjoy this poem by a famous Japanese Buddhist named Kenji Miyazawa:
    http://www.manitobabuddhistchurch.org/jodoshinshu…

    Or this one by a monk named Honen back in the 13th century titled "Moonlight":

    Though the moon shines all over the world
    Leaving no corner in darkness,
    Only those who gaze upon the moon
    Appreciate its serene light.

  7. Avatar of Yuttadhammo Yuttadhammo says:

    @dmclean

    Thanks for writing. I agree with your comments… I don't intend to subscribe to Western Buddhism, though I imagine I might end up falling into such a trap… though I imagine I will also inevitably carry some baggage back from Thailand as well. Anyway, I can only do the best I can, and Thai Buddhism certainly is not something I can do best.

  8. dmclean635 says:

    Hello Bhante,

    Thanks for replying. I apologize, I wasn't implying you would take up Western-style Buddhism either. Just ruminating that it's so easy to replace one cultural baggage with another. Here, I speak form experience, not implying anything. :)

    Not sure if you ever read the science-fiction series "Dune" but I always liked this quotation from the second book (my personal favorite):

    Did any of them see beyond rigid beliefs? Where was the one man who’d escaped the narrow destiny of his prejudices? Not even an Emperor escaped.

    I often wonder what rigid destiny I've locked myself into. :-/

    Just woolgathering. Long story short, I feel your pain and I really wish you the best in your journeys!

  9. Avatar of Yuttadhammo Yuttadhammo says:

    No offense taken… it's indeed an interesting subject, and I too was merely ruminating.

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